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 Post subject: 'Intention to renounce' on naturalization application
UNREAD_POSTPosted: August 28th, 2009, 5:55 pm 
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I saw a naturalization application recently and I think I saw a section in the application where the applicant declares his intention to renounce foreign leaders or state. Is that considered a renunciation if the document is signed, or does the naturalization have to actually be successful for it to be considered renunciation? If the application was rejected or never even submitted does it matter that it was filled out and signed? If you have that document should that document not be presented at the consulate, since it might be considered renouncing before Italian authorities? I assume it would only matter if the application was dated before the birth of the next link in the chain.


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 Post subject: Re: 'Intention to renounce' on naturalization application
UNREAD_POSTPosted: August 28th, 2009, 8:31 pm 
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Only on the date the Oath of Allegiance was taken was American citizenship gained (that is the same even today) - so no, the signed intent of a rejected application does not count as renunciation.

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UNREAD_POSTPosted: August 28th, 2009, 8:40 pm 
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Aside from what Tiffany correctly states, that an intention to renounce does not qualify as an actual renunciation, you also have to consider that it wasn't signed in front of Italian authorities - presumably is was submitted to an American court.


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UNREAD_POSTPosted: August 28th, 2009, 11:09 pm 
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Actually the Oath is not given in front of Italian authorities, but it is still considered renunciation. However, as Tiffany states, an "intention" to renounce does not cause a loss of citizenship.


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 Post subject: Re: 'Intention to renounce' on naturalization application
UNREAD_POSTPosted: August 29th, 2009, 7:50 am 
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The application I saw was similar to this:

I am not a disbeliever in or opposed to organized government or a member of or affiliated with any organization or body of persons teaching disbelief in or opposed to organized government. I am attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States. It is my intention to become a citizen of the United States and to renounce absolutely and forever all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, and particularly to _______Alexander I King of the Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes______ of whom (which) at this time I am a subject (or citizen), and it is my intention to reside permanently in the United States.'


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 Post subject: Re: 'Intention to renounce' on naturalization application
UNREAD_POSTPosted: August 29th, 2009, 8:12 am 
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Exactly.

It is my intention to marry a supermodel. The fact that I have not done so yet is unfortunate. :D


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UNREAD_POSTPosted: August 29th, 2009, 8:13 am 
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It's not a problem. Sorry about that BBCWatcher; maybe in your next life. :D


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 Post subject: Re: 'Intention to renounce' on naturalization application
UNREAD_POSTPosted: August 29th, 2009, 11:22 am 
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Quote:
Alexander I King of the Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes

Is your ancestor from Istria? Just curious- I live not too far from there.


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 Post subject: Re: 'Intention to renounce' on naturalization application
UNREAD_POSTPosted: August 29th, 2009, 12:27 pm 
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No, I just got that from a google search and it just happened to have that. The one I saw was from an Italian relative.


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 Post subject: Re: 'Intention to renounce' on naturalization application
UNREAD_POSTPosted: August 29th, 2009, 6:15 pm 
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BBCWatcher wrote:
Exactly.

It is my intention to marry a supermodel. The fact that I have not done so yet is unfortunate. :D


LMAO :D

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